tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6417337773760045947.post5004231761683717666..comments2023-09-08T14:41:38.903+01:00Comments on faces on posters<br> too many choices: Thatcher’s footsoldierscarlhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17886258675618058752noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6417337773760045947.post-50244413973792906482021-02-07T04:01:45.390+00:002021-02-07T04:01:45.390+00:00Sorry slazenger jumpers Sorry slazenger jumpers Littleangellufc80https://www.blogger.com/profile/01267127768361401473noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6417337773760045947.post-11733797651118952602021-02-07T04:00:18.172+00:002021-02-07T04:00:18.172+00:00You said you were into it in 90s we had a whole de...You said you were into it in 90s we had a whole decade of home and Away games.getting one over the Old Bill constantly. We had 4 shops to buy quality gear from. Hurleys Sports in Manchester..1980 on Lacoste, Tachinni Quality Trainers..Sports shop in Shepherds BushLondon still open and London Away Game nice trip to Harrods and Burberry Shop for YSL..Ralph Lauren..Aquascutum..and Liverpool Market for Faded Lee Jeans as all your mates were wearing drainpipes and scavenger jumpers. A mist of Adidas Samba.And awaiting on your Scally mates to bring back their spoils from Rotterdam, Amsterdam etc..someone has quoted Pete Hooton from The Farm him and his lads knew the score and known them from 1987 & still friends..It was our way of life, football, music, good clobber..Today people thing buying a Stone Island top and a half decent pair of trainers gave you kudos. It didn't we got it when it mattered and we stood toe to toe with our lads.Knowing not one would give an inch So in 1980 onwards we were at it with those who were there for the same thing.<br />Nowadays any one can buy clothing anywhere..In a time before no mobiles, very little cctv what a time we had Chicken Run at West Ham 1982 30 of us went in..could have been naughty but as it happened I saw one of the Under Fives so he said nothing..Returned the favour ..there were a few girls who tried to wear the gear but it was just to impress the lads passing through London Train Stations..like Peacocks even the lads would laughLittleangellufc80https://www.blogger.com/profile/01267127768361401473noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6417337773760045947.post-53475145162515646092021-02-07T03:35:53.828+00:002021-02-07T03:35:53.828+00:00It's an old article.. Well written..however on...It's an old article.. Well written..however one big mistake..You wrote No English Football Female Hooligan. Wrong what a shame. 1980 was my First Outing as A Female Casual.Due to being female, kids, career etc I've kept it on a Need to know basis..However 40 years has passed now so all the Wanabee Top Boys , Firms etc have published their books..Surprising the info you wrote didn't include that. You weren't in the same Top Circles as Me sadly..40 years on and getting messages from all over the country ..Are you the same Angie ?..I am so those that know can say at last her Book..Others who haven't heard may well be you were too young..Just needing a Title..Semi Retired due to cctv police etc..But still as Casual as I was back then.Littleangellufc80https://www.blogger.com/profile/01267127768361401473noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6417337773760045947.post-39410458730238009552012-01-06T22:56:10.269+00:002012-01-06T22:56:10.269+00:00Lee: Mark Simpson's kind of misogynist and fet...Lee: Mark Simpson's kind of misogynist and fetishizes masculinity rather creepily:<br />http://quietgirlriot.wordpress.com/tag/mark-simpson/JMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03223879013564312871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6417337773760045947.post-7453523130747780272012-01-06T16:34:28.930+00:002012-01-06T16:34:28.930+00:00Funnily enough the blank assemblage of polo shirt,...Funnily enough the blank assemblage of polo shirt, jeans and trainers has been the default setting on the gay scene for years too. I suppose it ties in with scally porn, rough trade etc etc.Leenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6417337773760045947.post-75624836306020812442012-01-06T13:38:17.142+00:002012-01-06T13:38:17.142+00:00yes, intended to be obvious, i saw subtext in the ...yes, intended to be obvious, i saw subtext in the whole peacocks checking ouot each other's plumage thing while others accused their mates of calling their pint a poof, or somethingCullahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01825362892139115913noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6417337773760045947.post-88233312787057367042012-01-06T10:53:06.430+00:002012-01-06T10:53:06.430+00:00"Hours were spent [...] checking the clothes ..."Hours were spent [...] checking the clothes out of other men, offering mutual compliments if we passed each other in the lav."<br /><br />Now there's a [barely] latent homoerotic/metrosexual subtext...or am I stating the bleeding obvious? Mark Simpson is very good on this stuff.<br /><br /><a href="url" rel="nofollow">http://www.marksimpson.com/blog/2011/01/27/the-north-east-has-a-situation-geordie-shore/</a><br /><br />Thanks for the post.Leenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6417337773760045947.post-49604453971967283382012-01-05T14:18:15.416+00:002012-01-05T14:18:15.416+00:00Historically the weighting given to clothes (and n...Historically the weighting given to clothes (and not very adventurous clothes) and not enough to outlook, music, politics (Hooton would disagree but his End was dealing in micro-scenes dressed up as universal trends) is problematic. That left space: for easy adoption by bourgeois tastemakers who always pilfer from subcultures; to make it look more normal than it was; for some to brandish the price tag as signifier; and for negative aspects such as racism/fascism to flourish among some. It seems only the look was necessary to be a casual. Alex is right to point out the common bonds and value of proletarian sartorial difference, but it became big and in Top Man very quick and from this point any difference was emasculated into the wider leisure society. As a scene it has been parody/rehash since the early/mid 80s which is why it's so interesting it is 'alive and well' now. But its inherently vague/apolitical outlook (a policing pain in the arse but they've deserted Labour) and therefore easy adoption must enable that staying power.<br /><br />i like William's point about the lineage although you always had some casuals who disowned any link to Mod (early scousers had passed from punk into synth, while in that 1983 face piece there's a line about east london boys beating up a gang of mods in ilford or somewhere)Cullahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01825362892139115913noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6417337773760045947.post-78825862257914297852012-01-05T10:50:28.245+00:002012-01-05T10:50:28.245+00:00I really enjoyed this. But I kept thinking: if cas...I really enjoyed this. But I kept thinking: if casual culture represented the British working class in transition from egalitarian advances to something else, what is the something else? Compared with today, at least the casuals embodied a society in which bourgeois culture wasn't entirely hegemonic; at least, in the '90s, it was cool to like football and Irvine Welsh rather than polo and Downton Abbey.<br /><br />Also, there were more nuanced strands to casual culture, weren't there? I'm not sure Awaydays was straightforward "middle-class minstrelsy", for instance. It's quite open about class being it's central theme: like Trainspotting, it's a tragedy in which solidarity with the team becomes impossible and the upwardly mobile individual is cut loose as a cynically self-interested "deserter".<br /><br />On that note, Welsh's Glue is also quite subtle from what I remember (and was there much racism in Scottish hooligan culture? I don't know but my guess is not). Certainly that's another novel about a group of friends from old-left working-class backgrounds being separated and split apart during the course of the '80s and '90s, after an earlier phase in which casual culture is a common bond.<br /><br />I suppose I agree with the main point that the telos of casual culture was negative, but I think along the way there were some positive things mixed up with it. And at the very least, the art of people like Welsh, Sampson, and Noel Gallagher was worthwhile because it rendered the tragedy of the transition you talk about with pathos and clarity.Alex Nivenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05525684766446729078noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6417337773760045947.post-32958318339757420522012-01-05T07:18:48.346+00:002012-01-05T07:18:48.346+00:00BTW Sampson's 'Awaydays' was basically...BTW Sampson's 'Awaydays' was basically middle-class minstrely. He got a lot of mileage from his accent, but his 'experience' was largely from magazine articles. He was an indie-nerd. The publisher saw a chance to sell him as the north-west England's answer to Irvine Welsh. A rather short-lived marketing strategy, but probably playing part in the shelves and shelves of 'thug memoirs' that now fill retailer's shelves with numbing monotony.David K Waynehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10756535951359716522noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6417337773760045947.post-12668262098423501822012-01-04T23:10:11.554+00:002012-01-04T23:10:11.554+00:00Interesting analysis. I blame the divorce between ...Interesting analysis. I blame the divorce between 'hard' and 'pysc' mod in the late '60s. Once you didn't have buy proper suits and shirts, or real shoes, the effort required to be part of the look was much reduced. And all the interest in French/Italian films, jazz etc fell away. Although skinhead is an extreme look admittedly.<br /><br />It's hard to see a way out of this style wise. The hipster look is as uninvolved in its way and some of its elements, like Barbour jackets, were actually started by the casuals.<br /><br />A new futurism? New man-made fibres?Williamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02193961453522415377noreply@blogger.com